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Topic #94052 84 posts Started by mkernz22
Figure I would start this here instead of post more crap in my thread.

As some of you know, I picked up an ST165 Alltrac yesterday.
Yes, I got it for an absolute steal because the guy thought it was seized.
His story: I was pulling into my apartment complex, the engine shut off, and the wheels locked up.
I thought: Okay, doesn't really sound like it seized up...
So I get the car back to my house start charging the battery for a bit and just try cranking it. It turned over slightly because of the dead battery. Kept charging it and about 3 hours later, and after 1 slight catch and die, it starts up just fine. No knocking, no squealing except for the alt belt, sounded amazing, but it kept stalling out. So I gave it gas and held it at 1k rpm's and it would hold there fine on it's own. If I revved it up it would come down, drop below 1k to about 500 and would stall. I figured it had to be vac related cause it was getting everything else.
He told me he had replaced this "coolant" hose on the back side of the engine because it was leaking. The piece he replaced it with was way too long and had 2 kinks in it. Not really that great flowing for coolant. I looked at it more to see where it went, and well I'll be damned, it went to the IAC. No****ingwonder why the car kept stalling out. It wasn't receiving the correct vac at low rpm's. :facepalm: x1,000,000. and this kid is going to New England tech too. So help me god I hope he gets some common sense and learns more.

Now for a list of the mods done to it.
From the PO before this guy:
-Rear poly bushings on all the control arms, don't think he touched the subframe or rear diff, but will check on that
-MR2 rear struts / cut front springs (oh well)
-ST185 front calipers
-CT26 was sent out to a shop and trimmed. Talked to the guy and he said it might be a 60 trim now.
-Exhaust / Water / Oil temp gauges
-Boost gauge (stock still works too)
-HKS Electronic Boost Controller
-Blitz Turbo Timer
-St205 transmission and rear differential. Both are confirmed now.
-gForce ECU chip - semi confirmed, still have to open and check.
-Stupid f*cking hood pins. They're the flushish locking ones. Just need to buy new ones since I don't have the key or get a new hood.
-3" Downpipe to 3" straight exhaust to a Megan Racing muffler.
-JDM block / US head / EGR delete
-ST162 Cams

From the guy I bought it off of:
-Rebuilt bottom end; new pistons, rings, bearings, 1.6 or 1.8mm metal head gasket, ARP headstuds

Photos:








^My cluster**** of a wiring mess I need to clean up and redo. Definitely need some plugs in there...



This post has been edited by mkernz22: Nov 18, 2014 - 11:22 AM
I love those old alltracs. Good buy!

You can read the brochureOC95
Nice. How much is a steal, out of curiosity?

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That's an awesome buy, Mike! I'm jealous!

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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Nov 9, 2014 - 6:31 PM) *
>Nice. How much is a steal, out of curiosity?


Erm, $750. biggrin.gif

And the list is updated a little after talking to the PO before the guy I bought it off of.

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Nov 9, 2014 - 7:37 PM
damn. nice... you have the missing parts?

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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Nov 9, 2014 - 9:59 PM) *
>damn. nice... you have the missing parts?


I don't have a privacy cover for the hatch, but I tore into the center console today, then took pictures afterward.
Sadly, I had to toss the rear seats. The foam was sh!t and the leather was completely shot. I could save them to get reupholstered, but I don't know...

I'm also trying to acquire another car of the guy I bought it from for cheap, and the PO who did the majority of the work has a bunch of stuff laying around still. So he's going to get it altogether and just give it to me. I just have to pick it all up and it's over 2 hours away. I mean free parts, it's worth it.
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QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Nov 9, 2014 - 6:06 PM) *
>I figured it had to be vac related cause it was getting everything else.
He told me he had replaced this "coolant" hose on the back side of the engine because it was leaking. The piece he replaced it with was way too long and had 2 kinks in it. Not really that great flowing for coolant. I looked at it more to see where it went, and well I'll be damned, it went to the IAC. No****ingwonder why the car kept stalling out. It wasn't receiving the correct vac at low rpm's. :facepalm: x1,000,000. and this kid is going to New England tech too. So help me god I hope he gets some common sense and learns more.

LMAO!

Awesome on the deal though, sounds like a really fun project and free parts are always cool too

Brand new 6gc owner! (sort of 2011)The world is moving around a sun, the sun moves around a local arm of the galaxy, the local arm of the galaxy moves around a gigantic black hole.
So I cleaned up some wiring, took out the 2 gauges on the pillar because the exhaust temp sensor is broken and I realized I had the HKS electronic boost controller, blitz turbo timer, and a boost gauge hooked up. Now if you don't know, all 3 measure boost and they're all in KPA also known as Bar. Now there's really no point to having 3 and since I need the TT and the boost controller, the gauge got pulled and will go in my 6th gen once I swap it.

Also, I installed an st205 OEM oil catch because that thing tosses out a decent amount of oil. Not a ton, but you know how they are.
To note, don't ever vent it to atmosphere. It'll blow blue smoke from time to time..

I still need to hook up the boost controller because I have the gforce ecu chip and it doesn't hit the 12 psi fuel cut so I accidentally hit 1 bar (14.5 psi). That needs to get turned down to 8 psi cause the engine is only 350 miles into the break in period... laugh.gif

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Nov 12, 2014 - 6:25 PM
AYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
It's gotta gforce chip in it biggrin.gif
Kind of explains why it was boosting to 1 bar without a boost controller hooked up.



This post has been edited by mkernz22: Nov 15, 2014 - 9:37 PM
wat the heck! that is a great deal!

Thats an awesome alltrac biggrin.gif

Bought some parts for the future brake upgrades. Only thing that'll be coming for a bit other than regular maintenance. Need to finish getting parts for the gen2 swap into my car during the spring / summer.
welcome to the All-Trac club. sounds like you got a pretty good deal.

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Nov 24, 2014 - 9:21 AM) *
>welcome to the All-Trac club. sounds like you got a pretty good deal.



Thanks! and I definitely got a lot more than I first anticipated.


Brackets for the front brake upgrade are on the way.
I'll probably get the LS430 calipers and '05 STI rotors at some point over the winter.

The best thing about the bracket kit is that everything bolts right on and it comes with a hubcentric ring for the rotors.
I still have to look into the rear brake upgrade, but it's most likely going to be ST205 calipers and rotors since they're bolt on.

Definitely doing an ABS delete cause the light is on and I don't feel like taking the time to fix it.
May or may not install a hand brake for the rear lines. There's a single running to the back and it gets split in the ABS module so theoretically I could put it inline before I split them off.
That all depends on how I want to go about doing the car.

Plans right now are to tidy up the engine bay, redo vac lines, wrap the W2A cooler, figure out the wiring mess near the water neck and find the oil pressure wire... and some other odds and ends.
As much as I want to put money into the motor, I can't. It already has some upgrades done to it, which will suffice for the time being, but my main focus is going to be the suspension, brakes, and exterior work.
What I will most likely end up doing in a couple years is swap in a 4th gen. From reading up, it seems like a better platform to start on and to make power with, but we'll see how things go.
Why can't I ever find good deals like this? redface.gif Also it's funny how much the interior mimics the Supra's.

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QUOTE (Box @ Dec 1, 2014 - 5:32 PM) *
>Why can't I ever find good deals like this? redface.gif Also it's funny how much the interior mimics the Supra's.


You will eventually. I never do so something like this is rare for me. If you also look at the alltrac Camry prime did, the interior is literally the same.

I saw where the dash is kind of similar, and of course it seems like every Toyota uses the same gauges and buttons. tongue.gif

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Brackets came in for the brakes came in biggrin.gif

In other news, the car hit 19.8psi / 1.37 bar. Really didn't mean to so I'm definitely setting up the EBC tomorrow and turning it down to 12psi..
But let me tell you, holy FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU did that thing throw me back into the seat.

Need to get a wideband asap to see what the AFR is at. I have a feeling the injectors are being pushed close to their limit.
Bought some 550cc 89-91 RX7 Turbo injectors off eBay. Suppose to have only 32k miles on them so they should be good for a long time.
Going to clean them once they come in the mail.

I was thinking about going with a SAFC to control the fuel, and I still may do that because I don't have any tuning experience, but I'm really leaning toward a DIYPNP w/ MS2 cause it's an ems and not a piggyback.
Well I've come to the terms that this car isn't something to be half-a$$ed. If you all have been following Nial's thread for his restoration, I'm going to be following a very similar path.
You may ask why, and I'm telling you right now, it's because I've always wanted to fully restore a car and I just happen to end up with this one.

By summer's end, I'm hoping to have the car fully disassembled, paint stripped, seam sealed, rust removed, completely undercoated, and hopefully in primer. At the very least, it'll be down to a shell.

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Mar 11, 2015 - 7:14 PM
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QUOTE (mkernz22 @ Mar 11, 2015 - 5:13 PM) *
>Well I've come to the terms that this car isn't something to be half-a$$ed. If you all have been following Nial's thread for his restoration, I'm going to be following a very similar path.
You may ask why, and I'm telling you right now, it's because I've always wanted to fully restore a car and I just happen to end up with this one.

By summer's end, I'm hoping to have the car fully disassembled, paint stripped, seam sealed, rust removed, completely undercoated, and hopefully in primer. At the very least, it'll be down to a shell.

thumbsup.gif
These are exciting words

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At least you're in a better place to start than I am with mine. Good luck.


This post has been edited by cheela: Mar 17, 2015 - 8:25 PM

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that's a really nice ST185, congrats

the aftermarket hoodlatch while overkill for a stock hood, they are really nice, I have them on my hood ( Carbon Fiber hood ) I think you can get key replacements too, but have to order them through your Aerocatch dealer ( assuming they are real Aerocatch ones )


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Thanks guys, I appreciate it! I'm going to get new aftermarket latches for it. I doubt it'll fly off, but #becauseracecar laugh.gif


Once I sell off most of the parts from my 6gc at the CSP meet, and other stuff on the forum, I'm going to be picking up another ST165 from the guy I got this one from. It'll be around July when I get it. Has a blown engine, no turbo or exhaust so basically a rolling shell. At that point I'll be deciding on which one I'm going to keep and which I'm going to sell.

With the one I have, there's some minor front end damage. It's just the radiator support, but still sort of sucks because things won't line up perfectly. Also, some minor surface rust developing in the rockers from the quarter window seals being gone mad.gif I'm not sure how that is on the other car, probably the same, so either way I might have to cut them out, clean them up and weld them back in.

The thing about this shell is that it has poly bushings, ST205 drivetrain, drives and everything. If I keep this one, then I'll be putting swapping out the interior from the one I buy because it's black. Black > blue. Then I'll end up selling the other one as a rolling shell, without wheels cause I'm keep the GTS ones smile.gif . If no one buys it, highly unlikely, then I'll be cutting it up for spare parts because these are really rare and I need as much as I can get.

Got the other one last week, came with some goodies as well smile.gif

GTS wheels, whiteline rear sway bar and endlinks, Gen3 W/A cooler, Momo steering wheel, and literally just so much more stuff.
I'll get some more pictures of stuff as I start to tear it apart.



This post has been edited by mkernz22: Nov 13, 2015 - 9:05 PM
Camo tie-strap holding the liftback down? tongue.gif

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QUOTE (Box @ Jul 14, 2015 - 5:41 PM) *
>Camo tie-strap holding the liftback down? tongue.gif


Cheapest set at home depot that they had in stock.
There was an orange set, but didn't have the ratchet part included for some reason?
Whatever helps you sleep at night. tongue.gif

That's ok I'm more concerned with figuring out the red car at the moment.

2001 Miata LS 5-speed
Interior went from this:


To this:


Just couldn't stand the blue, especially on a blue car. It's just too much and I think it breaks it up nicely.
The carpet will be black as well, just need to get it cleaned.

Well I should say that everything will be coming back out once it's in, just need to see what I have with the black pieces and what of the blue needs to become black. I will be spray all the plastic panels over to freshen it all up since the black is a bit faded. That'll be way down the road though.


First things first, need to get the other car disassembled. You'll probably think I'm running a chop shop by the time I'm done with it.
I'll post pictures, but I'm getting about 5 or 6 spot welder cutting tools from harbor freight to get some experience on the parts car wink.gif
Then once that thing is apart, I'll start taking off some of the panels on the project car. I need to so that I can tackle the rust inside the quarter panels and the rockers. Hopefully that'll be it, but I'll find out as I go along.

It's looking like a Nial build, but I'm not going down to getting all the bolts and stuff zinc plated. Trying to keep costs to a minimum laugh.gif
I'll keep posting updates as I strip down the other car.
Wooo!!!! Yeah, blue and red interior weren't a good idea in the 50's and 60's much less any time past then... Grey or black is my preference. Oh yes, let us not forget puke green interior...

2001 Miata LS 5-speed