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Topic #66773 173 posts Started by SlvrCelica09
hey I just got your message

spitting fire ?!? running rich maybe ?
almost sounds like you have a major vac leak with the high reving.
Have you checked for codes ?
or checked the timing ?

the 205 fp is just fine, no need for a walbro.

my st205 swapandour Beams swap

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QUOTE (Batman722 @ Oct 19, 2009 - 5:08 PM) *
>hey I just got your message

spitting fire ?!? running rich maybe ?
almost sounds like you have a major vac leak with the high reving.
Have you checked for codes ?
or checked the timing ?

the 205 fp is just fine, no need for a walbro.



yea it looks like i still have a vac leak.. its getting frustrating b/c i checked my vacuum lines 3 times already.. maybe im still missing something.. gna run more diagnostics tomamrow.. oh and a good note is that i fixed my starter issue.. a black and yellow wire was not needed to complete the clutch start sequence so i removed it and its starting normally now.. hopefully the error codes will direct me to the exact problem tommarow.. oh and my exhaust is finally in. so to do list.. find the vac leak.. relay the IC and IC pump.

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Oct 19, 2009 - 6:31 PM

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yet another problem guys.. I cant shift anymore!! I have Tweaks 3sgte 5sfe clutch kit installed.. i can shift into gears.. but it wont move anymore =( it was moving before when the car would only rev to about 2,000 rpm.. I also have noticed that the mph gauge moves when i press the gas but not going anywhere.. what does this mean? could my slave cylinder be faulty? I have the 205 motor on my 5sfe transmission. Car is still behaving crazy when i press gas.. keeps losing presure and regaining.. but wont go past 4 rpm.. should I run the test vacuum leaks one more time?

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Oct 21, 2009 - 2:26 PM

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look...here is what i would do, before you get all crazy, and do 1 little thing and think every problem in the car is fixed, calm down, TAKE YOUR TIME, and go over the motor...if you did it once do it again, if you did it 6 times, do it again. Check the back of the manifold really good, make sure no lines are cracked, have holes in them ect, ect. a good way to check to see if the lines have vacume is to squeze them and you should notice the car ideling differently, if not almost dieing out on you. Another great safe way to check is to take a tourch, WITH OUT THE FLAME ON! turn the propane on medium, as the car is running aim the propane near all of your vac. lines...if there is a leak anywhere in the lines or across the motor, it will bump your idle up and you will find where your problem is. Do you have a gauge on it? what is it reading?

Next i would make sure you have done general maintaince to the engine, fresh fluids all around(I know this isnt going to help with the vac. issuse but it is something that should and NEEDS to be done to any motor that has been sitting for a while) fresh oil, filter, coolant, plugs, (perferably NGK 6097's Gaped at 0.028, which makes it a little easier for the ignition system to keep the spark nice and strong) cap, rotar. since the motor is already in the car you cant (unless you really want to) replace the t-belt, which should have already been done but so be it, aling with front a rear main seals, cam seals, water pump, ect.

Third i would get in there and replace that fuel pump imeditily. if you have an st205 fuel pump for it, just do it. Its a 20 minute job. if not then i would suggest a walbro, but like batman stated above an 205 pump will work fine.

Forth, how mushy is your clutch? i would try rebleeding it once more, make sure your clutch fluid is toped off and it feels stiff as it should. its a possiability that your slave cyclender could be faulty but before jumping to any conclusions i would do simple things to try and fix the problem first.

5th, i would listen to everything and anything Lagos tells you to do. I know him personaly and i can say from first hand experience the man knows exactly what he is talking about. He would not suggest or tell you to do something if he wasnt 100% sure that thats whats needed to be done with out telling you this first. Hes been around these things for a long time, and any problem, except for 2 i can think of off the top of my head, he was right about, and knew exactly what to do and how to fix it. As for your speedo, is it jumping and not reading? is it reading at all? do you notice the speed is off on it? if so then it is a problem with your wireing in the harness. I would e-mail tweak and see if you can get it worked out, or if he knows what to do, but from my understanding you just have to clip a wire or something very easy and it will work fine. it has something to do with the small blue clip that goes into your transmission on the top.

And lastly, click the link below. Read it, know it, use it, Understand it! it is the bible to the 3sgte engine. It is an awesome wirte up and has TONS of very helpfull and interesting information.

http://www.mrcontrols.com/primers/power.htm

good luck, do what i told ya, and report back with what you find

This post has been edited by 95st-celica: Oct 21, 2009 - 3:04 PM

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>Hes been around these things for a long time, and any problem, except for 2 i can think of off the top of my head, he was right about, and knew exactly what to do and how to fix it.


Hahaha, your never going to let me live that down, will ya? I mean who ever heard of a resistor pack going bad(and only on one injector!)? smile.gif
Oh thats right, they dont go bad unless your car catches fire because you didn't do what i told you to do! tongue.gif I win that debate! hahaha

This post has been edited by lagos: Oct 21, 2009 - 4:20 PM

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I dont think if If I do 1 thing, problem is fixed.. rather I think If i do one thing there will be other problems to come!! maybe thats my problem... I keep expecting the worst.. and the worst does happen lol.. I think I should start hoping for the best more lol.

The ST205 fuel pump is in.. its been in for almost 2 weeks now.. fuel is not the issue IMO. as far as maintenance I put NGK spark plugs.. new oil cap, new oil, and coolant. I did not change the timing belt.. I figured the one there would be fine IMO.. I will look into that. the clutch is real stiff.. it was working fine when I first started the motor... I bleed it real good the first time. Its not that I don't listen to lagos, he just has the wrong impression in what I think of him.. despite me telling him this isn't a 2nd gen 3rd gen war he still makes it out that way.

As a matter of fact hes the reason I have my fuel pump actually running.. I gave power to the big blue cord directly from the fuel pump so now its running fine. I explored other options like making a relay for the fuel pump.. but the idle problem was still there. What I haven't done yet was wire in the intercooler.. I was told that if the intercooler was not wired in it would not allow the turbo to boost past 4 psi or something like that.. so I don't think that is the problem either.. Im gonna keep testing for leaks.. hopefully I will find out where it is soon.

Thanks for that link, I have read it plenty of times.. I just wish i had access to a st205 vacuum diagram, don't understand why its not in the manuals.

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>I don't listen to lagos, he just has the wrong impression in what I think of him..


Bro, I give you advice, and you... not knowing anything about the 3sgte somehow mange to tell me how I couldn't possibly know what Im talking about. I would really love to know who fed that idea into your head.

Btw, not being able to rev past 4k is actually a really classic issue on the 3sgte and an easy fix...you should research it.

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QUOTE (lagos @ Oct 21, 2009 - 4:37 PM) *
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>I don't listen to lagos, he just has the wrong impression in what I think of him..


Bro, I give you advice, and you... not knowing anything about the 3sgte somehow mange to tell me how I couldn't possibly know what Im talking about. I would really love to know who fed that idea into your head.



Again thats your impression of what I think about you.. which is completely wrong btw.

THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM!Still trying to find the cure for ST205 asthma..6gc.net's outlaw vigilante because im a LEADER not a follower.
I checked ur 3sgte error code thread lagos:

http://celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10155

im gna do some diagnostics and see what what codes I get... i didnt know ur a mod there... smile.gif

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QUOTE (SlvrCelica09 @ Oct 22, 2009 - 2:39 PM) *
>I checked ur 3sgte error code thread lagos:

http://celicatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10155

im gna do some diagnostics and see what what codes I get... i didnt know ur a mod there... smile.gif


so does that now change the way you look at him? lol

error codes should have been checked as soon as you saw the check engine light come on...let us know what comes back

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Two words: Insta Ban smile.gif

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This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Nov 2, 2009 - 12:35 PM

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This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Nov 2, 2009 - 12:34 PM

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*Baby Update*

In the process of getting the final parts to complete this swap and drive it home.

Will update once I get the parts.

THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM!Still trying to find the cure for ST205 asthma..6gc.net's outlaw vigilante because im a LEADER not a follower.
*Major Update*

Well guys as far as the engine goes.. im done!! lol everything is hooked up where it should be. heres a pic




BUT.. frown.gif as far as the whole swap process, still incomplete.. You see yesterday I had thought my clutch and transmission was fine.. so when I attempted to drive it home.. it didnt move 1 inch. From what I can tell, It seems as though I can shift, but the clutch is not engaging. Im using Tweak's hybrid competition clutch for the 5S tranny. Has this happened to anyone? I can hear the gears shifting.. but for reason its not engaging..(Yes I bled the slave cylinder.. 2 times actually) Anyone have any ideas to why this is happening? Im going back to the shop to remove the clutch and check it out.. any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Is there an oil leak? Oil on the clutch? I installed Tweeks clutch and flywheel and have been running great.
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QUOTE (speed-CCNP @ Nov 22, 2009 - 10:05 PM) *
>Is there an oil leak? Oil on the clutch? I installed Tweeks clutch and flywheel and have been running great.


after I installed the new axle there has been tranny fluid leaking from the passenger side axle.. and when I turn the car on and shift.. I hear a grinding noise.. you wanna come by and see my project? if you're in baltimore thats only like 20 minutes away

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do you still have fluid in the trans?

facebookWRC st205
yea.. but not much though when we checked the transmisison saturday it was completely empty, and I know I had started the car before that and tried to shift.. So I pressumed the tranny was dead.. i read somewhere that if you try and shift into gear with a transmission that has no fluid it will die. So when we saw there was no fluid.. we pumped some in there and tried to shift again.. and no luck.. but we did hear grinding noise so now im thinking something may have popped out from the clutch

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Nov 23, 2009 - 12:53 AM

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>Is there an oil leak? Oil on the clutch? I installed Tweeks clutch and flywheel and have been running great.


after I installed the new axle there has been tranny fluid leaking from the passenger side axle.. and when I turn the car on and shift.. I hear a grinding noise.. you wanna come by and see my project? if you're in baltimore thats only like 20 minutes away



Yeah, that's cool. I'm in town this weekend. I'll call you tomorrow.
you dont NEED fluid in the trans for it to ingage...its recomended but it will not blow your trans up trying to shift into gear with no fluid in it..it has to be something else

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QUOTE (SlvrCelica09 @ Nov 23, 2009 - 12:52 AM) *
>yea.. but not much though when we checked the transmisison saturday it was completely empty, and I know I had started the car before that and tried to shift.. So I pressumed the tranny was dead.. i read somewhere that if you try and shift into gear with a transmission that has no fluid it will die. So when we saw there was no fluid.. we pumped some in there and tried to shift again.. and no luck.. but we did hear grinding noise so now im thinking something may have popped out from the clutch


I didn't read this whole thread so I'm not 100% sure what the bickering is all about but you definitely need to respect Lagos. He knows what he's talking about.

I saw in another post that you said the speedo would move when you reved in gear but the car wouldn't move... If the Speedo is going from 0-20 or so while in first gear as you rev it the only possibility is that one of your axles isn't engaged in the differential. That would seem to support the issue with the leaking fluid as well and could cause the grinding noise you're hearing. This is easier to check than pulling the trans off to check the clutch so start there.

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QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Nov 25, 2009 - 2:17 PM) *
>I didn't read this whole thread so I'm not 100% sure what the bickering is all about but you definitely need to respect Lagos. He knows what he's talking about.

I saw in another post that you said the speedo would move when you reved in gear but the car wouldn't move... If the Speedo is going from 0-20 or so while in first gear as you rev it the only possibility is that one of your axles isn't engaged in the differential. That would seem to support the issue with the leaking fluid as well and could cause the grinding noise you're hearing. This is easier to check than pulling the trans off to check the clutch so start there.


thanks for the heads up man, yea I definitely respect the man.. my issue was that i WAS uncertain if he knew things about the 3rd gen motor.. that has been cleared up now.. he told me hes worked on the 3rd gen motors before so that's not an issue.. I don't know about him but I do respect what he has to say.. I don't ever recall me disrespecting him

THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM!Still trying to find the cure for ST205 asthma..6gc.net's outlaw vigilante because im a LEADER not a follower.
Where did you get the tranny? What car did it come out of? How many miles are on it. How did the your axles look when you installed them?
Do the shift cables look correct?

This post has been edited by speed-CCNP: Dec 1, 2009 - 7:43 PM
im using my old 5s tranny.. its the passenger side axle.. its not flushing properly with the transmission.. So i may have purchased the wrong axle.. Im going to buy another set.. I may post a WTB for any stock GT axles in good condition. I havent called you yet because I dont have anything new going on with the car.. its actually sitting outside the shop now until I get the new parts. Ill def call you once things are moving again bro

This post has been edited by SlvrCelica09: Dec 2, 2009 - 2:35 AM

THIS IS WHERE WE HOLD THEM!Still trying to find the cure for ST205 asthma..6gc.net's outlaw vigilante because im a LEADER not a follower.
If you're using the gt trans you need gt axles. It sounds like there may be a problem with your carrier bearing and bracket location as that is the only thing that holds the passenger side axle in place. There is no snap ring like on the drivers side. Post some pics of the passenger side axle setup.

Project ST204.5 99.88946% complete...
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QUOTE (SlvrCelica09 @ Dec 2, 2009 - 3:32 AM) *
>im using my old 5s tranny.. its the passenger side axle.. its not flushing properly with the transmission.. So i may have purchased the wrong axle.. Im going to buy another set.. I may post a WTB for any stock GT axles in good condition. I havent called you yet because I dont have anything new going on with the car.. its actually sitting outside the shop now until I get the new parts. Ill def call you once things are moving again bro


No problem, mine is doing the same thing until my new turbo arrives.
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QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Dec 2, 2009 - 7:29 AM) *
>If you're using the gt trans you need gt axles. It sounds like there may be a problem with your carrier bearing and bracket location as that is the only thing that holds the passenger side axle in place. There is no snap ring like on the drivers side. Post some pics of the passenger side axle setup.


thanks soo much for your help bro.. Ill do it as soon as things get moving again... been working overtime so I can buy new parts lol

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well I guess Ill update this thread since there has been some changes:

Im keeping my car!! lol biggrin.gif

will be buying another 5sfe tranny from a member of this site shortly.. and will have that installed along with a new passenger side axle.. hopefully when those 2 things are installed it will be drivable again.. still dont have an idea why my car sputters out and dies when the car is warm though.. hopefully I can figure that out soon..

another update when the tranny and axle is installed.

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nice bro, keep updating..

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