And if you want good torque in a small car... Just do a j32 swap in a civic. 240trq from 2200 rpm to redline. Now thats some mad trq from stock swap
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Maybe with a J35A1, but not a J32A1 or A2. We have a J Integra as well running a J32A2.
QUOTE (blackliftback @ Oct 2, 2013 - 12:35 AM) 
>And if you want good torque in a small car... Just do a j32 swap in a civic. 240trq from 2200 rpm to redline. Now thats some mad trq from stock swap
Maybe with a J35A1, but not a J32A1 or A2. We have a J Integra as well running a J32A2.
blackliftback, i dont think you have enough knowledge or experience to even be arguing in this thread. you didnt even know the MZ was an aluminum block. you posted a bunch of information but its not really accurate.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
And where the hell did the whole Honda talk come from. Last I knew this was a Celica network. I'm pretty sure that is a totally different company...... 
now get back to Toyota!!!!!!
now get back to Toyota!!!!!!
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I just wanna be clear here...I never called ANYONE a dumbass. I said this is a dumbass thread.
If you wanna infer me calling anyone a dumbass, it'd be dustin, since he is the one who started this thread.
And yup, the 1mz redline is 6250rpm or so, but just like the 5s, hp drops like a rock from right around 5k till redline.
Also, for the 215ftlbs off idle guys...yup 215ftlbs @ 2500rpm...and a whopping 90whp to go along with it.
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Yea I'm the smartest dumbass lol
QUOTE (presure2 @ Sep 30, 2013 - 6:18 PM)
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best post in this dumbass thread.
comparing a v6 that makes 95% of its power below 5k rpm, and a I4 that makes 90% of its power above 4500rpm is really stupid, imo.
it really is all about how the individual wants the car to feel, and drive.
the best way to find out which setup is for you is to seek out someone who has whatever setup your interested in, and drive it, or at least ride in it.
if 5-600$ diffrence between one setup or the other is the determining factor on a swap, you shouldnt be swapping, period.
if your doing a swap because someone told you one setup is better than another, you should be swapping, period.
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>That is what I wanted an that is what I built.
I built it to be different an it worked.
If it catches on an more being do it cool. If not...cool.
I did it for me. I realize that now.
I built it to be different an it worked.
If it catches on an more being do it cool. If not...cool.
I did it for me. I realize that now.
best post in this dumbass thread.
comparing a v6 that makes 95% of its power below 5k rpm, and a I4 that makes 90% of its power above 4500rpm is really stupid, imo.
it really is all about how the individual wants the car to feel, and drive.
the best way to find out which setup is for you is to seek out someone who has whatever setup your interested in, and drive it, or at least ride in it.
if 5-600$ diffrence between one setup or the other is the determining factor on a swap, you shouldnt be swapping, period.
if your doing a swap because someone told you one setup is better than another, you should be swapping, period.
Yea I'm the smartest dumbass lol
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QUOTE (bluecelicawife @ Sep 30, 2013 - 8:45 PM)
>I'm not jumping in on the debate cause I love my husband and I am proud of the work we have done on the v6 and at some point I would love for my 7a to be a beams. But the biggest kick I've gotten in a while is to know he's the smartest dumbass....lol
I just wanna be clear here...I never called ANYONE a dumbass. I said this is a dumbass thread.
If you wanna infer me calling anyone a dumbass, it'd be dustin, since he is the one who started this thread.
And yup, the 1mz redline is 6250rpm or so, but just like the 5s, hp drops like a rock from right around 5k till redline.
Also, for the 215ftlbs off idle guys...yup 215ftlbs @ 2500rpm...and a whopping 90whp to go along with it.
Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
I know you werent Manny
I was just making a joke that's all lol
I was just making a joke that's all lol
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Which is better, beams or 1mz? Neither. Get a gen4. The reason you go NA is because you hate lag. A gen4 does a lot to minimize that. The gen4 gets results comparable to a 2gr, and is a pretty easy swap. The cost is fairly low too. They are actually a bit cheaper than the beams.
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Oh god now you've done it lol
QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 11:17 AM)
>Which is better, beams or 1mz? Neither. Get a gen4. The reason you go NA is because you hate lag. A gen4 does a lot to minimize that. The gen4 gets results comparable to a 2gr, and is a pretty easy swap. The cost is fairly low too. They are actually a bit cheaper than the beams.
Oh god now you've done it lol
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
Just my opinion based on the inside info I have on how people's swaps actually go and what people think of the final product.
Beams tends to underwhelm (though I liked mine and my 64 year old dad thinks his is really fast). The last one I did only took a weekend. The beams is also a good fit for mk1 mr2's and corollas.
1mz is a whole lot of work. Definitely not a weekend swap. Guys get the motors cheap, and then get nickel and dimed to death on the accessories. People like the end result better though. You can also resell a well swapped v6 car for more it seems like.
This post has been edited by mr220v: Oct 2, 2013 - 10:35 AM
Beams tends to underwhelm (though I liked mine and my 64 year old dad thinks his is really fast). The last one I did only took a weekend. The beams is also a good fit for mk1 mr2's and corollas.
1mz is a whole lot of work. Definitely not a weekend swap. Guys get the motors cheap, and then get nickel and dimed to death on the accessories. People like the end result better though. You can also resell a well swapped v6 car for more it seems like.
This post has been edited by mr220v: Oct 2, 2013 - 10:35 AM
Well you would be the one to know
My swap nickel an dimed me as you already know
But I feel it was due to there being so little info on it for the celica.
My swap nickel an dimed me as you already know
But I feel it was due to there being so little info on it for the celica.
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
This tends to happen to mr2 swappers as well.
So:
If you have another car and time to patiently do a swap, 1mz.
If you have no time and your car is your daily driver, BEAMS.
Problem solved. Everyone have a nice day.
If you have another car and time to patiently do a swap, 1mz.
If you have no time and your car is your daily driver, BEAMS.
Problem solved. Everyone have a nice day.
1994 Toyota Celica GT-S 5S-FE 190k Miles. Project car1992 Toyota Celica GT 5S-FE 170k Miles. Daily driver/beater1999 Toyota Camry LE 5S-FE 216K Miles. RIP You will be missed.*ASECertifiedGeneralManager
and consider a gen4 while you're at it.
3sgte or nothing. I'd be willing to bet you'd make up for the cost difference just in resale on the car.
I considered going to a beams, but i started a subaru build so no more performance related things going into the celica.
I considered going to a beams, but i started a subaru build so no more performance related things going into the celica.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
I'm not a fan of gen3 lag. Definitely a reason some might not want that motor.
I drive my 1MZ swap daily 130 miles. It makes for a much better DD. I get 30+ MPG
All this debate is silly. A 1MZ makes more power and torque than a BEAMs.
A 1MZ swap can be done cheaply. I don't know how you guys are getting ridiculous prices.
A 1MZ swap can be legalized
A 1MZ has parts readily available.
Funny how you guys call it a "Soccer mom Sienna" engine since it actually came out in a Camry and Es300 years before it was in a Sienna.
All this debate is silly. A 1MZ makes more power and torque than a BEAMs.
A 1MZ swap can be done cheaply. I don't know how you guys are getting ridiculous prices.
A 1MZ swap can be legalized
A 1MZ has parts readily available.
Funny how you guys call it a "Soccer mom Sienna" engine since it actually came out in a Camry and Es300 years before it was in a Sienna.
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You have a 1mz swap !?!
I don't ever remember reading about it
QUOTE (Celicaguy13 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 1:22 PM)
>I drive my 1MZ swap daily 130 miles. It makes for a much better DD. I get 30+ MPG
All this debate is silly. A 1MZ makes more power and torque than a BEAMs.
A 1MZ swap can be done cheaply. I don't know how you guys are getting ridiculous prices.
A 1MZ swap can be legalized
A 1MZ has parts readily available.
Funny how you guys call it a "Soccer mom Sienna" engine since it actually came out in a Camry and Es300 years before it was in a Sienna.
All this debate is silly. A 1MZ makes more power and torque than a BEAMs.
A 1MZ swap can be done cheaply. I don't know how you guys are getting ridiculous prices.
A 1MZ swap can be legalized
A 1MZ has parts readily available.
Funny how you guys call it a "Soccer mom Sienna" engine since it actually came out in a Camry and Es300 years before it was in a Sienna.
You have a 1mz swap !?!
I don't ever remember reading about it
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
We got the prices we have from a lot of trial an error since there no info for doing it in a celica. An none of us did our wiring. An in my case I bought 2 motors an 3 ECU's an 2 mafs an spent money on other stupid things.
We've all said it could be done much cheaper than we have done it
We've all said it could be done much cheaper than we have done it
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
I pulled off the 2grfe swap I did for my brother fairly cheap. If you can do your own fabrication, this helps a lot with v6 swaps. If I didn't come up with my own headers and mount, I would have spent $1700 on that swap kit for the 2gr.
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This post has been edited by mr220v: Oct 2, 2013 - 1:07 PM
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HA HA HA i was waiting for you to open that can or worms
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I dont think i was nicke and dimed too bad. I chose to upgrade my clutch and flywheel, I did have to buy another ECU because i didnt plan better, the first one i got had an immobilizer.
Another issue i had was my engine came from an auto, i should have got one from a manual, the headers are different. the autos have a pre CAT in the front and the rear is shaped slightly different so it doesnt hit the shift cables
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all very valid points.
QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8:17 AM)
>Which is better, beams or 1mz? Neither. Get a gen4. The reason you go NA is because you hate lag. A gen4 does a lot to minimize that. The gen4 gets results comparable to a 2gr, and is a pretty easy swap. The cost is fairly low too. They are actually a bit cheaper than the beams.
HA HA HA i was waiting for you to open that can or worms
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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8:36 AM)
>Well you would be the one to know
My swap nickel an dimed me as you already know
But I feel it was due to there being so little info on it for the celica.
My swap nickel an dimed me as you already know
But I feel it was due to there being so little info on it for the celica.
I dont think i was nicke and dimed too bad. I chose to upgrade my clutch and flywheel, I did have to buy another ECU because i didnt plan better, the first one i got had an immobilizer.
Another issue i had was my engine came from an auto, i should have got one from a manual, the headers are different. the autos have a pre CAT in the front and the rear is shaped slightly different so it doesnt hit the shift cables
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QUOTE (RabidTRD @ Oct 2, 2013 - 8:50 AM)
>So:
If you have another car and time to patiently do a swap, 1mz.
If you have no time and your car is your daily driver, BEAMS.
Problem solved. Everyone have a nice day.
If you have another car and time to patiently do a swap, 1mz.
If you have no time and your car is your daily driver, BEAMS.
Problem solved. Everyone have a nice day.
all very valid points.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
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In all seriousness is this thread going somewhere? We are clearly divided. And not 1 side has come up with the holy grail answer.
Everyone has valid points. But no one is winning the debate. Looks more like a session of congress here.
Swap whatever you like and call it yours. Whatever it is, if you believe you make the right choice then go on with life. If you dont like it then swap again. Who cares? Unless its the person paying your bills...
Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.
Peace guys.... I will say, never has there been so much participation of members.
Here is my real stance..... I will be back....
Everyone has valid points. But no one is winning the debate. Looks more like a session of congress here.
Swap whatever you like and call it yours. Whatever it is, if you believe you make the right choice then go on with life. If you dont like it then swap again. Who cares? Unless its the person paying your bills...
Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.
Peace guys.... I will say, never has there been so much participation of members.
Here is my real stance..... I will be back....
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I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.
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That's right, rack up more in listing fees that what the car is even worth.
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM)
>Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.
That's right, rack up more in listing fees that what the car is even worth.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Believe it when I see it, 'Berto!
QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 4:22 PM)
>In all seriousness is this thread going somewhere? We are clearly divided. And not 1 side has come up with the holy grail answer.
Everyone has valid points. But no one is winning the debate. Looks more like a session of congress here.
Swap whatever you like and call it yours. Whatever it is, if you believe you make the right choice then go on with life. If you dont like it then swap again. Who cares? Unless its the person paying your bills...
Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.
Peace guys.... I will say, never has there been so much participation of members.
Here is my real stance..... I will be back....
Everyone has valid points. But no one is winning the debate. Looks more like a session of congress here.
Swap whatever you like and call it yours. Whatever it is, if you believe you make the right choice then go on with life. If you dont like it then swap again. Who cares? Unless its the person paying your bills...
Or else just list your car on ebay several times until someone buys it.
Peace guys.... I will say, never has there been so much participation of members.
Here is my real stance..... I will be back....
Believe it when I see it, 'Berto!
Has no more Celicas
In all honesty the best swap is the 1nzfxe. A blistering 110hp, and you can pick the motor up and place it in the car by hand. No need to mess with those pesky engine hoists.
It's also the only motor I've had where I can take it out without also removing the transmission.
This post has been edited by mr220v: Oct 2, 2013 - 3:46 PM
It's also the only motor I've had where I can take it out without also removing the transmission.
This post has been edited by mr220v: Oct 2, 2013 - 3:46 PM
Looks like you're struggling there, do you even lift brah?
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
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Hahaha
The super economic motor swap right like we talked about??
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What trans ate you using??
QUOTE (mr220v @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3:40 PM)
>In all honesty the best swap is the 1nzfxe. A blistering 110hp, and you can pick the motor up and place it in the car by hand. No need to mess with those pesky engine hoists.
It's also the only motor I've had where I can take it out without also removing the transmission.
It's also the only motor I've had where I can take it out without also removing the transmission.
Hahaha
The super economic motor swap right like we talked about??
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QUOTE (Celicaguy13 @ Oct 2, 2013 - 3:22 PM)
>I do have a 1MZ swap in my MR2. I've also driven a BEAMs MR2. It's NOT a bad engine. It's fun. Just no torque. Reminds me of a Honda engine.
What trans ate you using??
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
only way i'd race smaay is if he had stock 1mzfe 98-00 camry or solora which produces 194-200 hp.
i would need to mix my fuel 91 octane and 100 octane to get a 94 octane mixture. then we can race. otherwise he will beat me. he's got a 3mz intake manifold.
i would need to mix my fuel 91 octane and 100 octane to get a 94 octane mixture. then we can race. otherwise he will beat me. he's got a 3mz intake manifold.
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All I'm hearing are excuses.
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 2, 2013 - 4:18 PM)
>only way i'd race smaay is if he had stock 1mzfe 98-00 camry or solora which produces 194-200 hp.
i would need to mix my fuel 91 octane and 100 octane to get a 94 octane mixture. then we can race. otherwise he will beat me. he's got a 3mz intake manifold.
i would need to mix my fuel 91 octane and 100 octane to get a 94 octane mixture. then we can race. otherwise he will beat me. he's got a 3mz intake manifold.
All I'm hearing are excuses.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed