oops i got typos, oh well




Ill take this one down if it offends anyone, I had to drop an FBomb in there somewhere



This post has been edited by Smaay: Oct 1, 2013 - 1:14 PM

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They are funny.
I'm secure enough in my Beamshood to not let this bother me because I know the truth.

I'm not going to play with your little challenge, I'm not a douche bag. I don't feel I need a funny meme to prove a point, I just use facts.
Nothing personal.

Please don't hate me, but I'm searching for a Beams swap for a while and can't find any decent with axles or even a whole front cut I'm sorry to junk this thread with that, but search button wasn't my friend, nor was the ebay and I'm searching that because my engine is slowly increasing the amount of oil consumption. Any websites or anything welcome!

So yes, also my vote goes for Beams, since living in Europe I was able to drive 3S Celicas and I love the 7k or more redlining but I can't say anything against V6 since I don't know how they perform in our cars and you always have to at least respect the amount of labor, love, enthusiasm and ofcoure money was put in something like swapping totally different engine especially doing it first without any info behind. And looking Smaays video, that V6 is a BEAST in the car

Cheers

EDIT: I forgot to mention, my car is AT, not ST chassis

This post has been edited by storm26: Oct 1, 2013 - 3:01 PM

All you need for a BEAMS is the motor, harness, and ECU. It uses the same trans as a GT so it will use the same axles. Huge bonuses for a BEAMS set are the OEM intake a B pipe, though neither is 100% necessary.

/ thread jack.

This post has been edited by richee3: Oct 1, 2013 - 2:26 PM

I will concur, the BEAMS is an easier swap.



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This post has been edited by Smaay: Oct 1, 2013 - 2:39 PM

power for beams is at 7k rpm

max power for 1mzfe??

According to factory flywheel numbers the BEAMS gives a gain of 62 hp over the 5S, so where did 40 come from? I'm all up for the V6, as by now if you don't know that I love torque you've been living under a rock. Though after looking on eBay I don't see how the BEAMS can cost that terribly much more at this point. I've seen a lot of them now for $1,400 or less and that's including the engine, LSD transmission, harness, and ECU. Some even include the MAF sensor as well. From looking at recent V6 swaps the only way I can see getting it done for the same amount of money would be to find a Camry/Solara donor for about $500. Then still need the custom mount, harness, and half-shafts and few other niggles here and there. It'd be great if the V6 could be brought to the plug and play level the BEAMS has.

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The Solara had 200 hp at 5,200 RPM and 214 ft lb at 4,400 RPM. If you find the rare TRD supercharged one hp and torque go to 242. The 1MZ in the Lexus ES made a little more than the Solara, but it required premium.

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I need to check my ecu again
I might be running the wrong gas lol

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Here's an idea
You an smaay live in the same state why don't you guys meet up at a track an see who's faster

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Why didn't anyone think of this ages ago?

well i have yet to see anyone on here post a Dyno with a BEAMS swap. but from my earlier post i was giving it a range of +40 HP, could me more, could be less.

there is no point to go head to head against a BEAMS. I know ill win the race. Not only am i making way more power, i have been drag racing for over 12 years. but it will be fun. im down for a friendly race.

IBTL

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Sorta like how you swapped the BEAMS out of some mom's station wagon?

Ha ha ha those are funny

Drag racing is too boring. The mz has more weight in the front which means, on stock celica suspension... It will nose dive more than a beams would. Never seen or road in a mz swapped celica but i know the j32a civics has nose diving issues without proper suspension set up. As for power.... There really is no replacement for displacement. But hp/liter. Beams win hands down. These two engines are in two different classes. Its like saying, lets compare the r35 to bentleys. Each to their own.
Beams is a rev happy engine while the mz has some torque. It better have some torque with more displacement.

Gear ratios have a lot to play with in these circumstances. To truely test these two engines against each other, run them both stock in same chassis with same suspension and other parts. Including tranny. Which isnice because it will bolt on to both engines. From the sound of the set up... Beams will out run the mz in an autoX race anyday.

Both engines have their pros and cons.

For those who want instant torque and power and cannot afford a swap... Just spray nO2 until you really have to swap lol

Btw... It may sound like i favor the beams but in reality... Its more realistic for most people to swap their celicas with.
Hell, i seen so many people who don't even know how to convert from obd2 to obd1.

Give me all the parts needed and i can get it up and running in a few hours.

With the mz swap, parts may be cheaper but it sounds like more customizing involved.

How about the long run... Maintainence is a lot easier done on a beams than the mz. My friend has a rx300 with the mz and its a pain to get to the knock sensor. Which are infamous on those motor.
How about the sparkplugs... It will take a little more time getting to the three plugs in the back... Valve cover gaskets... Have to replace two... Not to mention removing the intake manifold to get to the rear gaskets.

Its more to it than just speed and power. The mz is a bit more difficult to maintain an maintaining it will cost more than a four cylinder.

Both sounds really nice to have. Since i have made more 6gc fans in this world, i might be able to convince them to do different swaps into each. Theres now four more 6gc here in iowa. Maybe we will get one v6, one beams, one 3sgte 3rd gen, and the last guy is too cheap so he will stick with his weaksauce 7a lol

Swapping a V6 for power?

That's the purpose of a 3SGTE lol

Only thing I'm going to comment on that you said blackliftback is the 1mz isn't really any heavier than the 5s if you don't rilun the a/c system
I've thrown my 1mz swap into corners on noticed no handling changes from when I had the 5s. I can just exist alil faster due to more power

The 1MZ doesn't weigh much more, if any, over the cast iron anchor that is the 5S. The maintenance you speak of is frivolous, if doing any of that that is above you the engine will never make it into the car anyway. You may have to do that once every 100k miles, and if you're smart you'll go ahead and do all of that with the engine out of the car before swapping. What about having to do parts number look ups for compatible parts, or getting parts from overseas for your import engine? The 1MZ you can walk into any parts house in America and get anything you'll ever need for it. Either way they're both better than the crap that came from the factory.

This post has been edited by Box: Oct 1, 2013 - 8:00 PM

The one an only time I will call him out on anything in this thread
Richee3 witch one had more work room under the hood
My 1mz swap or your old rx330

Hardly a call-out. The RX 300 is a piss poor example of, well, everything, leaving the Celica with far more room for everything.

People do swaps for power and when they do it for power... Im sure it comes with a lead foot lol. Meaning more maintainence. But nothing compares to maintaining a boosted car.

With great power comes great headaches. Lol

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Im guessing the mz is all aluminum? Im not so familiar with the engine

Sorry for being a post whore but...

Arent there more aftermarket support for the beams than the 1mz?
I know they offered trd sc. Is that pretty much it?

There's no aftermarket for the BEAMS at all. 1MZ 1, BEAMS 0.

Idk... Quick search and i found itbs and overbore pistons. Valves and all. Out of country but still avail.

You have more reputation so you win lol.
Cheers with heiniken

This thread sure has a certain level of entertainment value to say the least...

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If my posts were snakes they'd have bitten you in the ass.

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Yes its all aluminum

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Its fairly well known on here that the beams hates almost everything aftermarket. Its doesn't mind some light exhaust work tho

1mz doesn't have much other than eBay parts. But you can get better cams for the 1mz from other motors an they love head work an some mild tuning.
The beams for the most part is kinda what you got stock is all you get
The 1mz can have more power pulled from it n/a an boosted

If you want to go beams and after market. Theres no point. Just buy a rav4 3 sge and get aftermarket. Same ****. Lol parts are interchangeable. No wonder i have my heart set on the 3rd gen 3sgTe. But stock for stock.... I pick beams over v6. Gotta love reving to 8k. Thats why the power is not under 4.5k. When you shift in the beams... It doesnt go below 4.5 k so why worry about the power not being under 4.5k. But then again i use to drive a b16 honda coupe and have built a type R eg hatch so reving high isnt new to me haha

Plus ebay = not so reliable. Chinese made sh!t anyway